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Thursday, 17 October 2002

I've got a theory

Tom asks - is there any way that an online Buffy game could emerge that could pay for itself?

To answer that, some backgrounding of the genre is probably in order.

One of the tenets behind the AI promotion was that it relied on something the producers called "Internet Archaeology". There's a great feeling of possession when you find your own diamond in the rough (in this case, you find the first in a series of sites that leads you down an ever increasing rabbit hole of a consistent, believable, dynamic and engaging universe) - so much of a feeling that you instantly want to tell everyone about it. It's viral. You want people to know. Which segues wonderfully into marketing campaigns.

The main problem with running something like this, an immersive and consistent world that reacts with and challenges its audience, is that it costs money. Lots of money. Forget doing this kind of thing on the cheap. If you want to do it well (and believe me, you do - when you're doing immersive fiction, right now you're catering to quite a discerning audience), production doesn't come cheap. If you want to capture the hearts, minds and eyeballs of your players, you'll probably be needing to push boundaries.

1. Your mother taught you to talk back
Nothing beats the rush of stumbling into a world and finding out that its inhabitants are alive. Fine, you may have the best writing in the world, and you might be able to bring it to life inside your head. But sometimes--not all the time--it's better when the characters start talking back to you. Interactive characters might make up for a sub-par story, but well-written interactive characters will do even more. And how would you implement this? If you're thinking of an impressive array of scripts parsing user input in a botlike manner, you're wrong. Get an actor who can take the script home and know the universe inside out. Get them answering voicemail. Get them calling people up. Get them answering email, get them being on the end of Netmeeting calls. Just get them out there.

2. Spill over, and don't mop up
Your audience isn't stupid, but that's okay. They know that what you're doing isn't real. If you're doing it right, though, they'll completely ignore that little niggling fact and get straight to enjoying your content (apologies for using the C word). In fact, they'll ignore that niggling little fact so much that if you start spilling over into the real world, if you start calling them up, if you start sending them letters in the mail. You can organise rallies. You can have people meet in libraries. You can have actors and actresses accost your players in the street. You can pretty much do what at any other time would be considered obnoxious and stalker-like behaviour, and they'll love you even more. Yes, it's weird. But it's wonderful. You will need writers for this--good writers. You'll need actors, actresses, makeup, venues, scripts, props.

3. This isn't Dumb and Dumber
Or, more accurately, you don't have to make it dumb and dumber. You can push and challenge and stretch. Each time you make that push and each time your audience manages to get past it, they'll be loving you even more. I realise that quite a lot of this article includes the word "love", but really, when it's talking about eyeballs loving what you've done, that's good, right? You will need to research. You will need to plan. Again, you'll need writers.

Pushing costs money
Those three aspects detailed above are easy to do badly. Terribly easy. Coincidentally, they're also terribly cheap to do terribly badly. We'll ignore that, and assume that you actually want to do this well. Where does the money for this come from?

Death of a Salesman, Birth of a Genre
Promotions. Advertising campaigns. If the money's coming through this route, then hopefully you'll be able to run a campaign with a Clue. Don't be self-referential. Don't scream that you're an advertisement. In fact, don't "be" an advertisement at all. Let your audience work it out. They will. The Buffyverse cop-out here would be any forthcoming Buffy movie. Then again, this kind of Buffyverse campaign for a Buffy movie would pretty much only attract the rabid fans who were going to see the movie anyway. It's debatable whether you can persuade people to part with money to this for promo campaigns anymore.

Subscription
Majestic, a subscription immersive fiction genre game, flopped and flopped badly, like a whale dropped out of a B2 bomber. Without getting into why Majestic failed (suggestions range from a not-too-hot storyline to the wrong kind of marketing), it's not entirely clear whether a subscription model would work at the moment. It does seem to be working for quality television programming: HBO can't be that unhappy with their lot right now. Can you attract a large enough audience to recoup your production costs each "season"? Let's say 100,000 players paying $15/month, giving you $1.5m/month. Let's say a season lasts six months. Can you make it work on a budget like that? Can you even get 100,000 players?

Selling eyeballs
Let's face it, it's cooler if it's free. You'll reach a wider audience and the barrier to entry will be immeasurably lower than with the subscription model. Imagine the Slashdot effect, but with people being paid to be Slashdotted. Say a couple hundred thousand people--guaranteed--to click through and pore over the content on a client's site. How much would you pay for that kind of attention? How much do you think someone would be willing to pay? If you're not willing to drive traffic, maybe you're willing to sully your artistic and creative vision by slapping pop-ups and ludicrously sized flash ads all over the place. Or maybe not.

Micropayments and the Tip Jar
You either think they're the salvation of the new, new, new economy, or you think they'll never work. Let's assume that we can discount the tip jar if we're working with $1m+ budgets, so we're left with micropayments--which doesn't really have a viable infrastructure yet.

Where do we go from here?
I said I'd answer Tom's question - how would a Buffy game pay for itself? Right now, it looks like the only real answers are promotions--persuading someone else to stump up the money for a dubious return--or the holy grail of a subscription model that actually manages to pay for the content and then some. I'd argue that the latter stands a good chance of working with Buffy. Granted, the television show is free to air - in the US it's free on UPN (though not in a lot of markets) and in the UK it's (eventually--after Sky have had their pick) free to air on BBC2. Then again, Six Feet Under and Sex and the City aren't free to air, and they manage to act as good anchor shows to HBO. The problem that we run into now though that, as wonderful as its critics and devotees think Buffy is, and as much praise is heaped upon it (Emmy awards notwithstanding), genre programming such as Buffy's doesn't bring in viewers in their high millions. Could this be something that the large online world builders--EA, Microsoft, Sony--can do with Joss and Fox?

Update: Adrian responds to this and the previous post.

Update: I've written a followup, Once more, with feeling.

Context: this is the second in a series of articles, Tom has a short summary of some of the history.

1. Blurring the lines
2. I've got a theory
3. Once more, with feeling
4. Give me an axe and show me where to point it
5. I lied (so many posts ago)
6. Under your spell

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The obvious problem to me in making a Buffy game is simply that the fate of BtVS is incredibly up in the air. Gellar hasn't yet said she's stepping down, though we all assume she is. Various media outlets have mentioned the possibility of her recurring on proto-s8-BtVS, and then there's always Trachtenberg and Dushku waiting in the wings.

A Buffyverse game would be a better current proposal, I think, but there it gets dicey again. AtS and BtVS were set in the same Buffyverse for the first season of AtS or so, but since then -- and particularly since the great migration of BtVS to UPN, hence no possibility of crossovers -- AtS has essentially moved into its Angelverse (As evidenced by concepts such as the Powers that Be, shanshu, etc.).

Would Joss be down for a game? Oh, yeah, probably. He likes new toys, and he sure doesn't seem to be opposed to overextending himself. His writing staff might also be game; I say this particularly because I remember Jane Espenson bemoaning the fact that she only writes a couple of episodes per year now.

The timing is right in terms of technology being/getting there, and in there being a huge, wired fanbase already in stasis . . . but, is it the right time for these shows? I'm not sure. Though, any pitch now would take a long time to put together. And hey, the timing *is* right to design a game to be set in the world of proto-s8-BtVS.

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